Wrestling

Just on ‘wrestling’ with principalities:

Eph 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in heavenly places.
Eph 6:13 Therefore take unto you the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

The goal here is to stand. This means that the wrestling is bcos THEY, the powers and principalities, the rulers of darkness, come against us. We are not coming against principalities, looking for a fight with them, and then conquering them, which would mean stopping their activities. If you’ve fought a principality and ‘won’, then they could no longer do anything, right?

We are resisting them and having the victory in Christ when we don’t obey their suggestions. Simply don’t obey their word, or their suggestions, and submit yourself to God, and the devil will flee,  then you’ve effectively wrestled with them and gotten the victory, by faith.

When we cast a demon out of a person then they go and enter someone else, someone who has opened the door to them thru sin. We’ve not ‘defeated’ the demon or rendered it powerless. Yet a great victory has been enforced in the life of that person.

If one thinks they can drive principalities out of a city, then, if they did go, they would just go to another city and the people there would curse you for that!

11 Responses to “Wrestling”

  1. ian vincent Says:

    Territorial spirits (principalities) certainly do exist, in many Bible refs, like ‘prince of persia’ , and demons spoke to Jesus and begged Him that they would not be sent to another region, etc…

    BUT, you never find one ref to Jesus or the Apostles ever praying against these principalities or trying to displace them.

    Jesus DID HAVE the authority (and still does) to actually round up the devil and all his angels and cast the into the abyss just at one word, one command. He could have done that any time during His earthly ministry and they knew that. But that was not the Father’s plan, rather, thru His death to destroy and disarm them.

    And, it’s no coincidence that the main proponents of the NAR teaching on taking nations for God thru spiritual warfare are THEMSELVES taken captive by demons : Paul Cain, Bob Jones etc… While ‘battling’ and ‘fighting’ the principalities, the demons simply had to whisper temptation in their ears and they succumbed to the very spirits they were railing against, and got into fornication and homosexuality, drunkenness, which must be a source of entertainment for the devil.

    Some of the people who perform the ‘warfare’ rites, rituals and dances etc. are actually getting possessed of demons as they do it, screaming like banshees, voodoo drums and all. Yes, Rick Joyner’s church, to be specific. That stuff is warring according to the flesh

    Why is there no example and no teaching in Scripture about waging war on and binding territorial principalities?

    God’s wisdom is thru the Cross, and it is for us. The Cross has destroyed the enemy, and only thru the application of the cross in us, not loving our life even to death, do we have His overcoming victory over sin, the flesh and the devil.

    The principle of a Biblical precedent is very important. Without a precedent we have no basis to believe something. E.g. There is no precedent/example of believers tithing in the NT, not one. This means that they did not tithe bcos they were not taught to tithe.

    There’s a BIG difference between tithing or enforced tithing, and with giving freely and being led by the Holy Spirit. God’s wisdom was to close down tithing for the church age bcos it promotes legalism and corruption and abuses, like “giving to God” ; need some money? then start a ‘ministry’ and teach a few saps that when they give their money to you they are giving to God and God will give them the increase. It ‘works’!

    Yes, Paul raised money for others but never for himself. He never desired anyone’s gold or silver and he taught that preachers who do ask people for money for themselves are false.

    But my point was that much of christendom today practices things, like tithing, and binding principalities over nations or regions, which have absolutely no NT precedent or example. Yet they’re taught as fact.

  2. ian vincent Says:

    …the powers and principalities, the rulers of darkness, come against us.

    Recently i had a VERY vivid dream. In the dream i was in a room and there was the Hindu elephant god (we try not to speak their names, out of respect for God) like an idol, but actually a living creature. It spoke to me in proper Oxford English (weird!) but before it could say much, which i did not listen to anyway, i went straight over to it and ripped it’s head off and put the head in a plastic garbage bag. Then i woke up. There was no fear or anything creepy about it. Then i found out that this dream coincided with the exact day and time that the devotees of the elephant god perform their annual rites to it, worshiping it. I was not aware that particular day was the day.

    What’s the meaning of the dream? Eph. 6. They come against us, and we’re not to be ignorant of what is against us, otherwise we can get discouraged and self-condemnatory, believing their lies.

  3. mkayla Says:

    Wow Ian! That was quite a dream – talk about interpretation. :) Praise God for that one!

  4. ian vincent Says:

    Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

    wiles:

    G3180
    μεθοδεία
    methodeia
    meth-od-i’-ah
    From a compound of G3326 and G3593 [compare “method”]; traveling over, that is, travesty, (trickery): – wile, lie in wait.

    So, the devil has methods. Not a method, but methods, meaning, he has a number of tricks up his sleeve. He’s a skillful conman, an expert.

    Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in heavenly places.

    They come against us, but not by force, but by ‘wiles’ : it’s against the wiles of the devil we stand. Against his lies. The nature of their attack against us is, in an ever so subtle way, to get us to believe lies, at the expense of the truth.

    The actual spirits, which are called the rulers of the darkness of this world, come against us. Two types of rulers clash. They are rulers and we also are rulers with Christ Jesus, by His authority.

    We should be aware that they’re against us, not blissfully ignorant, for this way we are very careful about our thought life and the things we ponder. We won’t be like goldfish in the pond just floating around imbibing all the scum and stuff in the pond. We should know that it’s not just us and God, but these rulers are always ‘gatecrashing’ the party.

    The shield of faith , to exercise faith, is always to have our thoughts and heart heavenward.

    ———————————————–

    Jesus and His Apostles are our examples in this. Jesus never drove the devil out of Israel nor did He engage in ‘warfare prayer’ binding the principalities over Israel, but as the Father directed Him He cast demons out of people. In THIS He was binding the strongman and robbing him.

    The gospel and the spread of the Kingdom is never a case of negotiating or fighting with the devil and taking ‘his’ possessions ; that’s the wrong focus, the focus should only be on what the Father is doing. Again, Jesus and His Apostles are our ONLY example.

  5. Mario Ortega Says:

    Another good word study is the word “stand.” The understanding is that once you have won the battle (not the war) in Christ, you are to “stand against”, “stand ready”, “stand firm”, or “stand your ground” and prepare for the counter-attack (“wiles”).

  6. ruthsongs Says:

    And when Jesus sent the 12 and the 70 out to towns, He did not instruct them to bind principalities, march around the cities, anoint the chairs (yes, anoint the people) or any of the like. He told them to preach the gospel and proclaim the Kingdom of God.

    Luke 10:7-8 And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’ “Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out demons. Freely you received, freely give.

    Mark 6:12-13 They went out and preached that men should repent. And they were casting out many demons and were anointing with oil many sick people and healing them.

    And after the ascension:

    Mark 16 :15-19 And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned. “These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues; they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.” So then, when the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God.

    It is faith that overcomes the world. Faith comes to people as they hear the Word of God, they are then able to receive the gospel, repent and come to the Father. To me it seems we are instructed to do the things that bring faith to the hearer, not spend our time rebuking and fighting the devil.That can include miracles, healing and casting demons out of individuals, but again it is to bring the unbeliever into belief that Jesus is the Son of God, so they can be saved.

    What else could it mean to say the Kingdom of God is at hand, than to say the Anointed of God has come? He is here. Emmanuel, with us.

  7. redeemedhippiesplace Says:

    What a neat dream! Glad it wasn’t freaky or anything.

  8. mkayla Says:

    What else could it mean to say the Kingdom of God is at hand, than to say the Anointed of God has come? He is here. Emmanuel, with us.

    I love that name – Emmanuel. It’s like the earth moves a little every time I hear it.

    Right on! Jesus came for the lost, to save sinners, to repair the breach, so sinful man can have a relationship with God the Father again. He made it possible. All the rest is fluff. I want Jesus and can you think on the day we see Him face to face – there will be no standing up from that. I can’t imagine, really. All else fades in comparison. Yippee!

  9. ian vincent Says:

    Amen to all, thanks for that, edifying!

  10. ruthsongs Says:

    I think it’s worth remembering the spirits of Eph 6:12 are rulers of the DARKNESS. The redeemed have been transferred into the Kingdom of LIGHT. Sometimes the current warfare teachings make it sound like believers are wrestling around in the kingdom of darkness and just barely keeping our heads above the scummy waters.

  11. ian vincent Says:

    I think there’s something very helpful in this, would you elaborate more?

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