Emotions

Our spirit is deeper than our emotions/soul, and our soul should be subject to our spirit. Meaning, our spirit should govern our emotional make-up, and not our emotions/soul govern our spirit. If believers had a firmer grip on this they wouldn’t so easily be led astray by false prophets et al, who place experiences above truth.

Having a “handle” on it, or having the “reins” on it, would surely be true of our spirit over our soul.

Especially clear if we consider the emotion of anger. How would it be if we didn’t have a handle on that?

I think our spirit’s place is not to bottle up emotions but rather to channel them according to the purpose of God. Like with anger. We can’t deny it if we have it, but we can either channel it productively or destructively. Meaning: just bcos you are angry it doesn’t mean there has to be a negative/carnal outcome.

And if we take the Toronto scenario, where some pastors claimed to be so overwhelmed that they couldn’t teach or preach the Word of God…. They let their soul rule over their spirit and they became useless to God.

Preaching at the funeral of someone you love dearly is a good example where its good if our spirit governs our soul: you want to just let go and weep it all out. But the occasion calls for self-control in order to speak the things we should speak. Then there’s a balance. You’ve not denied your emotions, yet they don’t rule you.

16 Responses to “Emotions”

  1. ian vincent Says:

    Psalm 42:11 Why are you cast down, O my soul? and why are you disturbed within me? hope in God: for I shall yet praise him, who is the health of my countenance, and my God.

    David’s spirit speaking to his soul.

  2. ian vincent Says:

    If believers had a firmer grip on this they wouldn’t so easily be led astray by false prophets et al, who place experiences above truth.

    It’s insincere/dishonest/manipulatory to purposely speak to, or appeal to, a person’s soul/emotions rather than their spirit.

    This is exactly what false teachers/preachers do. They know how to manipulate people by stirring up and playing with their emotions. They often use heart-rendering stories to soften people up to them.

    They also appeal to people’s self-pity, and try and get a hook in that way.

    Jesus isn’t like that, no He’s perfect all the way….

  3. redeemedhippiesplace Says:

    All you say is true. Hard to do, yet is true. Making Jesus Lord of every emotion is hard to do. Especially anger. To give up anger is to lay down and play dead. Cowards play dead. At least that is what it would feel like to me. So much to be angry about. And it is right anger. I can not play dead.

  4. ian vincent Says:

    Be angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your anger: Neither give place to the devil.
    (Eph 4:26-27)

    Therefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to anger: For the anger of man works not the righteousness of God.
    (James 1:19-20)

  5. ian vincent Says:

    As an aside: it’s interesting to consider, when we preach the gospel, where/what we are speaking to: are we speaking to, or appealing to, a person’s conscience or their soul/emotions? To the heart/spirit or the mind, or both?

    I think it overlaps, but with the check that if the conscience or spirit is not addressed then we’ve failed.

    The difference between conscience and soul would be seen in the context of the message: preaching to the soul would be in terms of “your best life now”. To the spirit, eternity and God’s eternal honor and interest.

    One is about “pushing the right buttons” and the other about cutting open the heart and laying it bare before the Cross of Calvary and the judgment throne of God.

  6. redeemedhippiesplace Says:

    At this point, Ian, I’m not out to try and be some great ambassador for the Lord. I surely would fail and have failed. I know my short comings, failures and sins more than you or anyone else could possibly know. so i don’t claim anything at this point other than I stay angry most of the time for the things I see going on in my nation.

  7. ian vincent Says:

    We’re all a work in progress.

    Let’s swap notes along the way.

  8. ian vincent Says:

    Fear is an emotion.

    We would certainly want our spirit to govern that emotion.

    It’s been years since i’ve had any fear of anything. What a contrast to how i was before.

    Mind you, i haven’t been rock climbing lately… : )

  9. ian vincent Says:

    Just a note for Redeemed Hippie: I’ll post this comment here rather than on your blog as you may think i’m pressing the issue too much:

    If anyone had a cause to be angry it was the 1st and 2nd century brethren: they were ruled over by an evil cruel tyrant, who would make Obama look like a sunday school teacher : no democracy, no freedom, no justice: innocent people were routinely and brutally put to death : little kids in a lion’s mouth getting chomped to pieces: this was a public spectator sport in Rome : forget football, those people were entertained by that : sickening : people hanging from crosses in public writhing in agony while their loved ones looked on, powerless to do anything about it.

    Paul was several times beaten up, whipped and stoned for no valid reason, and he knew that one day some jerk would pick up a sword and hack off his head. He was a hated man.

    Yet you don’t even detect a hint of anger at the world from these brethren.

    Why?

  10. ian vincent Says:

    Be angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your anger: Neither give place to the devil.
    (Eph 4:26-27)

    BE ANGRY…. the Apostle says, bcos we must be angry with that which angers the LORD Jesus.

    But we don’t have the luxury of being able to stay angry and stew in our anger. If we stew in our anger then we have no regard for the Kingdom of Christ. We are only serving ourselves.

  11. redeemedhippiesplace Says:

    Well, Ian I wanted to think about this before answering you. I will start off by saying I respect you and your place and I hope you know that.

    Saying that, I will go on. I don’t know why you are so concerned about any anger issues I have. But you have made it your concern and without feeling the need to defend myself, I still will answer you.

    I can only guess if those brothers and sisters had no anger at any time, then they must have “arrived.” I have not and I do not pretend to anyone that I have.

    If Paul never had any anger about the things going on, one reason could have been he had done so much in his past, that he may have thought if any persecution or wickedness came to him, that he may have deserved it beings he himself had done much evil to the church at one point. That’s what I think I would have thought if I had been in his shoes.

    Also, he had no family to think of. At least none that I know of. So I doubt very much he spent anytime thinking about if and when loved ones would be eaten by a lion, if he had no family. Friends, yes. Family, no. There is a difference. You nor anyone else could tell me that you would prefer your child over a brother or sister to be eaten by a lion. And to which I say may it never come to that to you or any of us! May God protect and watch over you and your family, now and forever!

    Paul had said he had “Learned to be content in whatever state“ he was in. Well, I have not “learned.” I am glad Paul did, but I have not. I am glad if you have. But if anyone has, it is an act of God, lest we boast that we had done something in and of ourselves.

    I sure hope you were not insinuating that I was looking at anger as some kind of “luxury” to hold on to. I would not “stew in anger” if I did not wake up every single day in this soon to be God-forsaken nation and see how the wicked are completely taking over in every area. Teaching children homosexuality. Do you have that there? I doubt it. Do they want to pass out condoms to the children there? I doubt it.

    No churches to go to. You have a nice little fellowship? Then praise and thank God for it. There is none to be found here that has not been tainted by the apostasy. At least not where I live. So if anyone has a small body of believers that they can fellowship with, it is a gift of God and once again not of themselves.

    So many other things that I can not even put online concerning my deceased mother and my family. Not to mention physical stuff in my body. BUT, do not get me wrong here. This is NOT pity talking. Having to choose between anger or pity, I choose anger.

    Anger a luxury? Hardly, Ian. And if I knew how to repent from it and if I knew how to rise above it, I would have by now.

    No more will I discuss this with you as you felt the need to make this a public forum for some reason. Like I said, I do not claim to be some great one of God. He knows everything about me and there is nothing I can brag about.

    So if you want to believe I am somehow ‘serving” myself by being angry, then that is between you and God.

    I leave you in peace.

  12. ian vincent Says:

    I don’t know why you are so concerned about any anger issues I have.

    You misunderstood. This is not about you. It’s about what the scripture teaches and declares: THAT i’m happy to discuss. Whether or not you can receive the scriptures i gave and whether you obey them is between you and God, eh. God bless you sister.

  13. redeemedhippiesplace Says:

    Sorry brother. but you made it about me when you said, “Just a note for Redeemed Hippie: I’ll post this comment here rather than on your blog as you may think i’m pressing the issue too much:…”

  14. ian vincent Says:

    It’s about what you said, not about you. Obviously.

    This is not a court. This is a discussion. You are not on trial, but some things you’ve said are being tested.

    The scripture says don’t let the sun go down on your anger. You are suggesting that a lingering (festering) anger is justified, right? If you’re not suggesting that, then there’s no disagreement.

    And you’re implying that your personal experience or emotional make-up is to be factored-in to the discussion, as if it has any bearing on the truth of whether we should obey and not let the sun go down on our anger.

    So, it’s never about you, or me, it’s about the Word of God.

  15. ian vincent Says:

    And the point about blog etiquette: when i visit a blog, if i find myself disagreeing with them i just leave it at that. But on my own blog i feel the liberty to discuss, explain or teach on any issue in as much length as i like.

    See, someone may raise an issue on here, and i decide to run with the issue; its doesn’t mean i have a personal issue with that particular person, it means that the issue which was raised is worthy of further elaboration.

    The thing about anger is very relevant for today. It’s extremely relevant for me. I still struggle with this sin.

    P.S. Redeemed Hippie, i would be sad to see you go. Please hang around : )

    P.P.S. This thread/post originated or spun-off from some comments i made here:

    http://forum.narrowistheway.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2259&sid=15ee327e00b5a0fe42726e27449b066e

    I often do that: take a comment i’ve made on a forum and post it on my blog.

  16. ian vincent Says:

    I think every aspect of our being: spirit, soul, mind, emotions, body… : tend to overlap to the point that none are entirely independent of the rest.

    For example, it would be hard to fully separate our emotions from our spirit. While they are distinct, yet they are related, and affect each other.

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