Walking according to the imagination of one’s own heart

Jeremiah 23

Thus says the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you worthless: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD. They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD has said, You shall have peace; and they say unto everyone that walks after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you. vs 16-17

I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in my name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed. How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart; vs 25-26

Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, says the LORD, that steal my words everyone from his neighbor. Behold, I am against the prophets, says the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He says. Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, says the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their recklessness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, says the LORD. vs 30-32

There’s the bottom-line: There is no spiritual profit or edification in their “ministry”. It’s worthless.

28 Responses to “Walking according to the imagination of one’s own heart”

  1. Mark and Vicki Finger Says:

    Reminds me of this:

    And the king of Israel said unto Jehoshaphat, There is yet one man, by whom we may enquire of the LORD: but I hate him; for he never prophesied good unto me, but always evil: the same is Micaiah the son of Imla. And Jehoshaphat said, Let not the king say so.

    –2 Chronicles 18:7

    And this [my summation of a popular doctrine]:

    “You don’t need to worry about the anti-christ. We’ll all be raptured by then: no evil will come upon you,” (famous last words).

  2. Mark and Vicki Finger Says:

    It’s better written like this:

    We live in an age of apostasy in which seducing spirits and wolves cunningly disguised in sheep’s clothing have led many astray. Consequently, the churches are not preparing the body of Christ to endure a time of great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be (Matthew 24:21). There is no historical account of a pre-tribulation rapture teaching before the early 1800’s. Could it be that the original apostles and the Christians who followed them for almost 2,000 years were in greater darkness concerning one of the most significant moments in bible history [that surrounding Christ’s triumphant return] than those who inspired this teaching?

    Every member of the assembly is capable of accurately discerning who is able to function maturely in a teaching capacity: else, how could Paul rebuke the congregation at Ephesus for heaping to themselves false teachers to soothe their itching ears or hold the Galatians accountable for being so quickly removed from the grace of Christ, availing themselves to carnal leadership after having known the leadership of the Holy Spirit? (Galatians 1:6-9; 2 Timothy 4:3-4). In fact, in 1 Thessalonians 5:12, the corporate body receives this charge: “And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you.” Recall, Jeremiah rebuked false prophets because they were lying to the people of God and telling them, “No evil shall come upon you,” (Jeremiah 23:16-17). Today, we hear the same spirit of counsel: “You don’t need to concern yourself with preparing for great tribulation; we’ll all be raptured by then.” Today, many authentic elders who warn the body of Christ at the Lord’s urging are thought of in the same manner as Micaiah [who served the Lord faithfully]:

    And the king of Israel said unto Jehoshaphat, There is yet one man, by whom we may enquire of the LORD: but I hate him; for he never prophesied good unto me, but always evil: the same is Micaiah the son of Imla. And Jehoshaphat said, Let not the king say so.

    –2 Chronicles 18:7

  3. Al Says:

    Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you. Rev. 3:3

    1 But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. I Thess 5:1-4

    What an awesome promise that if we only watch for the Lord as commanded that we will not be caught by surprise. Too many people claim we cannot know times or seasons, but they don’t read further or search scripture. An abundance of false teachers is a sign of the times.

    24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand. Mat. 24:24-25

  4. ian vincent Says:

    Thanks to you brothers for your encouraging words.

    Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That you be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, that the day of the Lord is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come the falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he as God sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. Do you not remember, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now you know what restrains that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity does already work: only he who now restrains will do so, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked One be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the breath of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deception of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them a strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be condemned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
    (2Th 2:1-12)

    * When Paul wrote this, the man of sin had not yet been revealed.

    * To date, the man of sin has not still not yet been revealed.

    * After he is revealed, we know the LORD’s coming will be at the door.

    * Paul’s warning, to not heed those who say that Jesus could come before the man of sin is revealed, is still in effect today.

    * In this passage Paul doesn’t refer to tribulation. Perhaps, one reason he doesn’t is that he, and the saints, were IN tribulation at the time, as so many of our brethren have been all thru history, and even are right now. Therefore, to think that one can avoid tribulation is foolish.

    * The issue of “pre-wrath rapture” comes up. The real issue is where a person’s heart is with the LORD Jesus. We are to pray “Come quickly, LORD Jesus”, not “Take your time”. When saints are IN tribulation, it’s only normal that they will pray, Come quickly LORD Jesus!

    * The LORD’s coming is always imminent, in the sense that death is always imminent. And in this light, Jesus will “come” today, for many, who will leave this world today, for either heaven or hell.

    * Why would anyone want to go FURTHER on the subject, than what Paul has outlined in 2 Thess. 2 ? That is, to specialize in end-times things? That would be a distraction from the gospel. Sure, there is the Book of Revelation also to consider.

    * Here is the rapture, mentioned in Revelations:

    After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and tribes, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God who sits upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four living creatures, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshiped God, Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honor, and power, and might, be unto our God forever and ever. Amen. And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, Who are these who are arrayed in white robes? and from where did they come? And I said unto him, Sir, you know. And he said to me, These are they who came out of the great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sits on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun strike them, nor any heat. For the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
    (Rev 7:9-17)

  5. ian vincent Says:

    The irony is that there are many who rightly don’t believe in a pre-trib rapture, and yet are deceived about many other things.

    And i’ve met saints who believe in a pre-trib rapture who know the LORD better than many who don’t.

    It means that not all who believe in a pre-trib rapture are believing that bcos they are afraid to suffer for Jesus.

    And it also follows that just bcos a person doesn’t believe in a pre-trib rapture, that they are necessarily free from fear and are ready to die for Jesus.

  6. ian vincent Says:

    Just a note: Also, it is not God’s will to separate from brethren over this issue alone:

    For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision avails anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
    (Gal 6:15-16)

  7. Mark and Vicki Finger Says:

    Al, I really appreciated your scripture quotes.

    The amount of scripture allocated to describing the time of great tribulation and the anti-christ leaves no doubt that this is an important issue to the Lord Jesus.

    The bible is full of warnings to 1) repent and be saved by grace through faith 2) be conformed to the image of Christ by the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit and 3) watch and prepare for the time to come [the rise of the anti-christ and the return of Christ].

    If we neglect to share any of these warnings, we make ourselves wiser than God; these warnings were given because it is so important for saints to see the necessity of continuing in sanctification, as they will have to endure patiently in order to escape by their OBEDIENCE.

    The gathering described in 2 Thessalonians 2 [of eagles to the carcass, as we are baptized in the death of Christ] is the rapture, which follows the great falling away and the revealing of the man of sin.

    Why is the time of great tribulation important to the saints?

    It is when God will purify His church, making us without spot or blemish, which will be an amazing time in the Spirit. We will then be ready for the marriage supper of the Lamb.

    I agree that those who believe in pre-trib but are prepared already to die for Jesus [at any time] will be safely shepherded by the Spirit through this time. But I fear that MANY who are not prepared will deny Him in the day of adversity.

    We should never go FARTHER than God, but we should go as FAR as God:

    For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

    –Revelation 22:18-19

  8. Mark and Vicki Finger Says:

    As the scriptures Al quoted imply, “watching” for the Lord’s return [and all these things to come to pass] is evidence of our love for God.

    As Ian said, of course we would want to watch, hungering for our Lord’s return.

  9. Mark and Vicki Finger Says:

    One last thought: ANY doctrine that directly contradicts the doctrines of our Lord [whether OSAS or pre-trib or whatever] WILL bear bad fruit [destroy and kill people].

    Should we argue with others in the flesh about these things? That would not be an appropriate spiritual response. But we should speak simply from the heart about these things.

    I have friends who are DEEPLY committed believers [and who believe in a pre-trib rapture]. It is not difficult for us to talk about these things with one another.

  10. Jim Says:

    “I agree that those who believe in pre-trib but are prepared already to die for Jesus [at any time] will be safely shepherded by the Spirit through this time. But I fear that MANY who are not prepared will deny Him in the day of adversity.”

    “IF you’re saying that we are to dis-fellowship anyone who believes in a pre-trib rapture, you would be wrong about that. The scriptures you’ve quoted don’t specifically apply to that belief, in particular.”

    Good quotes – I would not dis fellowship someone because they, by default based on the rampant teaching of a “pre trib rapture” in our time, believe wrongly on that. If they walk orderly, carrying their cross, producing fruits of the spirit, etc, what they mentally believe on that doctrine could just be a matter of immaturity, or lack of light, not sin that is to be seperated from. Unless you were 100% instantly sanctified in all doctrinal knowledge, you too once believed something wrong (and most likely have some area that you dont have perfect light on now). Christ does not disfellowship us for this, instead He gave Himself for us, to sanctify, and build us up… we should try to do the same for each other.

    In Him,

    Jim

  11. fleebabylon Says:

    Concerning 2 Thessalonians, I think that is a stretch to apply it to those who believe in the modern pre trib rapture theology. I read the scripture to mean do not associate with those who walk disorderly as defined here.

    2Th 3:11-14 For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies. Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread. But ye, brethren, be not weary in well doing. And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.

    I think that is more in context with the whole council of the word of God, but I appreciate the back and forth. I would like to understand where you are coming from. Here are a couple of other things I was thinking of.

    Luke 24:16-32 (I only posted part to keep it short so read it all yourself if you’d like)

    Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory? And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself…

    And their eyes were opened…

    And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?

    Jesus didnt refuse fellowship with these believers for a few weeks. He read the scriptures to them, dined with them, and opened their eyes. And we are talking about the very foundational issue of resurrection here, let alone His return! I am just putting this out there to show the heart of the Lord in this matter, not as a proof text.

    Phillipians 3:8-17

    Php 3:10-11 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

    Php 3:15-16 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you. Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.

    Here paul says that concerning even attaining unto the resurrection of the dead that if a believer is immature (imperfect) that God will reveal these truths to them in time. He does not call for their disfellowship but rather calls all of them to follow his example in walking after the Lord as opposed to those whos God is their belly. He allows for a believer with an immature theology in an area but is bold in calling them to follow his example in life. The clear example of someone being put out of fellowship seems to be (ie 1 Cor 5,6) for behavior, not a faulty end time theology. Again, this is not proof text but it is worth considering when you read 2 Thessalonians.

    Look forward to your response.

    In Christ,

    Jim

  12. Mark and Vicki Finger Says:

    2 Thessalonians 3 appears [by my reading] to be a warning concerning those who manner of living did not imitate that the apostolic example: who neglected both natural and spiritual duties in favor of indulging in particular sins [gossip and instigation], as the follow verse attests:

    These six things doth the LORD hate … an heart that devises wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness[that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

    –Proverbs 6:16-19

    They may have been doing these things under the pretense of the IMMEDIACY of the Lord’s return, which would have been doing evil in the name of God.

    Apparently, the confessed faith in Christ but provided no evidence of fruit.

    Understandable to separate from such.

    I agree that it would not be wise to separate simply on the basis of whether one is pre or mid-trib.

    P.S. If a man came up to me and told me that he was a Christian, but that he didn’t believe in the second coming of Christ, I wouldn’t believe he was a Christian. THAT, I would separate over!

    Profitable words from all [for me].

    thank you,

  13. Mark and Vicki Finger Says:

    One thought from earlier in the discussion:

    Destruction, when it comes, will come suddenly. Satan fell like lightning—the anti-christ will arise suddenly—and Jesus will return in the blink of an eye. Everything that the anti-christ needs to assume power will be in place before he reveals himself to the world.

  14. ian vincent Says:

    Thanks Mark and Jim for your comments, explaining the matter very well.

  15. Mark and Vicki Finger Says:

    Yep. We who remain will be caught up with the Lord as He descends.

    I am sorry your sister is watching Total Brainwashing Network.

    I have to say, however: they have really nice [television production] sets!

    Actually, I remember when I was a young Christian who loved God, and I watched it all the time!

    Learned some really bad things from it, as well: but eventually, the Lord got through to me.

    They specialize in professional preaching, which is, invariably, ‘prosperity preaching.’

  16. Al Says:

    Great comments. Other than the truth revealed to me by studying scripture, what really turned the argument of a pre-trib rapture for me is one of the false arguments that camp likes to proclaim. They say “How could a God who loves me let me suffer”. They completely ignore such verses as Romans 8:16-17.

    16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together.

    Let alone the suffering Paul (and others in scripture) endured and wrote much about, let alone the suffering in many places in the world even today by disciples of Christ who are being persecuted and killed. These brethren are ignored by much of Western Christianity. As scripture says, She says in her heart “I sit as queen and am no widow , and will not see sorrow”.

    Isn’t persecution the way the Lord refines us and separates the wheat from the chaff? Of course. God Bless.

  17. ian vincent Says:

    Jim, Here is Mark’s blog:

    http://markfinger.wordpress.com/

    ————————————————-

    Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from every brother who leads an unruly life and not according to the tradition which you received from us. For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example, because we did not act in an undisciplined manner among you.

    –2 Thessalonians 3:6-7

    Referring to those who deliberately choose not to follow the example set by the apostles. They clash against them, deeming themselves wiser.

    And not referring to those who desire to, but yet still fall short of that example, like most of us, i’m sure.

  18. Mark and Vicki Finger Says:

    Here’s an interesting article related to what the U.S. Military [National Guard] is hiring for right now:

    http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-sacramento/call-for-internment-resettlement-specialists-is-cause-for-alarm?cid=parsely#parsely

    I’ve watched the recruiting video off the National Guard websites: interesting thing is that some of the ‘detainees’ in the video is in American military fatigues.

    Here’s the videos\:

    Here’s a news report where a fighting brigade that has been fighting in Iraq 3 of the last 5 years is now assigned to ‘homeland defense efforts’:

    Here’s a video in which federal Representative Defazio [who serves on the homeland security committee of the U.S. House of Representatives] complains that the U.S. military won’t release their plan for ‘continuity of government’ to them for review [under the Bush administration]:

    There have been changes in the law that allows a ‘Presidential Directive’ to enforce martial law LEGALLY for NATURAL DISASTERS, PUBLIC HEALTH REASONS, OR FOR ‘OTHER CONDITIONS’. Here is the video from Ron Paul on C-Span:

    Here is a video of U.S. Marines being trained [conditioned?] to practice insurgency removal in the cities of Indiana:

    Here’s an ex-soldier from Iraq [U.S. soldier] describing new types of urban warfare vehicles that he is seeing being shipped in mass around the U.S.:

    Here’s a journalist describing the U.S. laws that now exist that allow U.S. citizens to be locked up indefinitely without charges being brought against them. Watch from the 6:40 mark to the 9:45 mark:

    FEMA/Homeland Security used ‘Clergy Response Teams’ to quell people’s fears in New Orleans [after Katrina] about military interventions [1:07 mark]; also, at the 6:35 mark, a news report details that the Pentagon is allocating 20,000 soldiers to form an internal security force:

    Not sure if this claim is credible or not [it’s a county worker in Illinois describing meetings with FEMA personnel and their detailed questions:

  19. ian vincent Says:

    I think it’s inevitable that the US Gov would have plans in place to deal with the prospect of insurgency, as there seems to be a general understanding and awareness there that there most probably will be a major social upheaval if and when the US economy suffers a complete breakdown. And it’s only natural that they would try to conceal those plans.

    The market works and exists only by confidence. So the Gov has to juggle two things; try to keep people’s confidence in the future bouyant thru propaganda, whilst making realistic preparations for the inevitable.

    —————————————————————

    On the subject of FEMA concentration camps existing in the USA, there is a fair amount of misinformation floating around on the net. But how to separate the truth from the myths?

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/4312850

    This doesn’t prove that any such thing does not exist. Yet, neither is there any substantial proof yet that they do. Certainly possible that much could be kept secret.

  20. ian vincent Says:

    Between Revelation chapters 6-8 there is the opening of the Seven Seals. The rapture is noted in ch 7, after the 6th seal and before the 7th seal is opened.

    Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads

    Then 144,000 Jews are mentioned.

    Then the Church:

    Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and tribes, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
    Rev 7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God who sits upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
    Rev 7:11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four living creatures, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshiped God,
    Rev 7:12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honor, and power, and might, be unto our God forever and ever. Amen.

    Rev 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, Who are these who are arrayed in white robes? and from where did they come?
    Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, you know. And he said to me, These are they who came out of the great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
    Rev 7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sits on the throne shall dwell among them.

    There is a distinct contrast here between Israel and the Gentile Church. 144,000 of Israel are sealed, and stay on the earth, then the Gentile Church is raptured OUT of the great tribulation, before the opening of the 7th seal, in Ch 8. The timing, then, is near to the end, and after the Beast is revealed.

    The fact of the 7 seals shows a continuity of events, a chronology. Whereas, the Book, as a whole, is not a chronology. The 7 seals section is a chronology, and it very clearly shows the rapture takes place before the judgment of the 7th seal.

    7:3 ...Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, UNTIL… Until what? Until the 144,000 has been sealed and the great multitude has been taken out of the great tribulation.

    They couldn’t all be martyrs. The great multitude which no man could number must be the Gentile Church.

  21. Mark and Vicki Finger Says:

    How are robes washed?

    Through repentance and continual obedience, i.e. enduring to the end.

    Btw, you have shared a principle that I too see in the Word of God concerning the book of Revelation [in particular] and scriptures related to end time scriptures:

    “The fact of the 7 seals shows a continuity of events, a chronology. Whereas, the Book, as a whole, is not a chronology. “

  22. Mark and Vicki Finger Says:

    Only a clear and persistent focus upon Truth [Christ] will sustain the body, soul, and spirit.

  23. ian vincent Says:

    Thanks bro. And that’s why on this blog i try to keep the focus on Jesus, and sometimes don’t approve posts when i feel things are drifting off being focused on Him and His Kingdom. I’m trying to keep this blog on the edification track, and avoid that which doesn’t edify. I can do this cos it’s my own personal blog, and not a corporate thing. This blog expresses my own particular gifting, as does each person’s blog, across the Body of Christ.

    I hope those whose posts have not been approved don’t take it personally.

    When the foundations are missing in Christian’s lives, no amount of discussion on the end-times will lay that foundation. Mostly it is a distraction from the Kingdom and from being His disciple.

    The great need in America and everywhere is that Christians would believe and obey the LORD Jesus, and not that they come to know there are FEMA camps, for example. If they know Jesus, then they know everything they need to know. For the average American Christian, knowledge about FEMA camps is NOT their real need, not what they really need to know.

    Sure, we are not to be ignorant about what is happening.

    But if the foundations of Christ Jesus are there, then disciples will already KNOW by the Holy Spirit what is happening around them, like the crisis situation, currently in America.

  24. ian vincent Says:

    Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, you know. And he said to me, These are they who came out of the great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

    Compare with:

    Rev 3:4 You have a few names even in Sardis who have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.

    Therefore, those that washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb, were those who did not defile their garments, but lived by faith, in purity.

    Recently i was looking at the word sanctification: the root of it is the dedication of someone or something to God. The act of dedicating is sanctification. There is a continual need to dedicate everything in us and all we have to God. We can understand this act of dedicating as laying it, or us, on the altar. That which is dedicated is holy.

  25. ian vincent Says:

    The difference between sanctification and our own works:

    Sanctification is the dedicating of something to God. When it is dedicated to God, then it is considered sanctified and holy.

    The thought is of presenting the thing to God as an offering, laying it on His altar, so to speak. Once the thing is laid on the altar, then there’s nothing more that man can do with it, for it has been dedicated to God, therefore it is now God’s. See the simplicity? We hand it to God, it’s no longer ours, it is dedicated, sanctified or consecrated : holy. Our minds, our mouths, our hands, our feet ; as need be, to consecrate them to God, to lay them on His altar.

    After they had placed sacrifices and offerings on the altar, there was nothing more they could do with it. It was now God’s, and He would do something with it; He would consume it with His fire.

    The same with anything and every aspect of our lives, we are to continually, as we are made aware, to dedicate it to God, to lay it on the altar, and leave it in His hands. It is now His.

    This means ceasing from our own works and entering His rest.

  26. Mark and Vicki Finger Says:

    Agreed.

    To put it simply!

  27. ian vincent Says:

    Mark, Just wanted to add that i appreciate you bringing up the matter of the FEMA camps and giving some links, so that if anyone wants to check it out, they can.

  28. Mark and Vicki Finger Says:

    The scriptures declare MUCH about how the anti-christ spirit [satan] operates–teaching us to be “wise as a serpent” [having understanding of satan’s ways]–so that we can avoid deception and remain “harmless as a dove” [abiding in the True Vine].

    Our focus, however, should never be upon deceptions, but upon Christ.

    It is great to gain understanding, knowledge, and wisdom from God, but it is not these things that we seek: we seek HIM.

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