A discussion on ‘Lordship salvation’

http://preachingjesus.wordpress.com/2011/12/27/why-lordship-salvation-is-not-biblical/

5 Responses to “A discussion on ‘Lordship salvation’”

  1. ian vincent Says:

    One of my comments:

    Just to clarify what i was trying to say: Surely, the primary issue, first, with an unbeliever, is whether or not they will believe and confess that Jesus is the Son of God, and then, after that, if they believe, to yield their life to Jesus.

    Unbelief concerning who Jesus is, is THE sin that excludes men from the reconciliation.

    If a person will not confess that Jesus is the Son of God, and chooses not to believe, then asking that person to repent of all their sins is premature.

    Of course, as has been said, both faith and repentance are inseperable, but there is an order in which God works to produce repentance.

    E.g. Here in India, is the first issue that hindus should burn their idols, or that they should believe on who Jesus is? Which comes first?

    Faith, of course, and then that faith works the fruit of repentance.

  2. ian vincent Says:

    The atonement is not that God has forgiven the human race. God has not forgiven the human race, rather, thru His atonement He extends forgiveness and offers it to all the human race, and they are not one and the same thing.

    A person is not forgiven until they receive God’s forgiveness in Jesus.

    When sinners realize that God is extending forgiveness to them, why do some receive and others not? bcos some love their sin more than Jesus.

    Therefore the message of God offering His forgiveness is not good news to the one who is not willing to repent. The good news is good news for the one willing to repent.

    Willingness to repent is what ‘belief’ or faith hinges on – they are 2 sides of the same coin.

    After plainly hearing the gospel, the person who is not willing to repent has chosen not to believe.

    And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For everyone that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. But he that does truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are worked in God.
    (John 3:19-21)

  3. ian vincent Says:

    He that believes on him is not condemned: but he that believes not is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For everyone that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. But he that does truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are worked in God.
    (John 3:18-21)

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    So, what is preventing certain men from believing is that they choose to love the darkness rather than come to the light. Therefore, it’s not a neat sequence of events, where first a man believes, and then after that he realizes he needs to repent.

    It appears that faith produces repentance, simultaneously. There is no time gap between faith and repentance. Looking to Jesus for salvation implies looking away from everything else. Looking to, and looking away, being the same movement. The emphasis is on looking to Jesus, and the looking away from sin has to be the natural consequence of looking to Jesus.

    And those who love the darkness are called unbelievers, here, even if they profess to be Christians and to have faith.
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    ...neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed...

    Coming to the light will mean an exposure of a person’s sins. Therefore, coming to the light is synonymous with repentance.

  4. ian vincent Says:

    Continued….

    The scripture above, John 3:18-21, would seem to be at odds with the popular belief that people keep away from God for fear of punishment, and bcos they judge His nature as being solely that of anger and retribution.

    People often use this as an excuse for their sin, as a self-justification. or a cloak to hide it

    These verses imply that everyone knows deep in their heart that God will accept them if they will repent, but seeing that they love their sin more than God, then they will seek to justify their position, in any way possible.

    False Christianity (babylon the great) provides a means for such people to keep their sin and yet outwardly appear righteous (Phariseeism).

  5. ian vincent Says:

    May we yield to and wait for the Holy Spirit’s guidance in all things, and for Him to instruct us and help us to think soundly – our minds renewed by the Word as the Holy Spirit teaches us.

    When we use the word “repent” or “repentance” it is either understood rightly or wrongly.

    The right understanding is that it means to change our mind as in our attitude toward our sin, from a position of tolerating it, or even loving it, and making excuse for it, to a position of despising it and of being sincerely sorry for it – Godly sorrow which works repentance. It is the light which has exposed the darkness for what it is.

    The wrong understanding, or religious understanding, is that it means to sit down and make a calculation, and to make a deal with God, that if we will stop sinning then He will forgive us – if we keep our end of the bargain, He will keep His…. which is very wrong. It is trying to be justifed by our works and the law.

    What is trying to be saved by works if it is not to trust in one’s “repentance” ? Repentance can never be the object of our faith, what we trust in.

    So, perhaps our discussion is more over the nature of what repentance is.

    “Lordship salvation” speaks more of a calculation or a deal with God.

    On a related note: When we confess our sins as believers, it is a confession which rests upon the fact that we are saved and justifed, to begin with. It is the confession of a son, or child of God. It is confession and repentance from a position of sonship or justification.

    This throws a little light on what true repentance is. For when an unbeliever repents and believes the Gospel it is in the same order in which a believer repents and confesses his sins, if he sins. It’s not a different order.

    That is, with us believers, if we sin, confessing our sin is automatic. It’s not a work. It’s the same with all true faith, that repentance will be automatic and not a work.

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