God hates the sinner?

Someone said, God hates the sinner, and loves him only if he repents.

I answered, if God hates the sinner, then, for you, as a justified by faith in Christ person, if and when you ever sin, God would have to start hating you if He is to remain impartial.

 

If He hates sinners, then, if you ever sin one time as a Christian He has to hate you as well.

 

No. He hates the sin, He loves the person.

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3 Responses to “God hates the sinner?”

  1. ian vincent Says:

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    Lemuel Cherloaba Is it possible that God being so other then man can love and hate at the same time?
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    Ian Vincent
    Ian Vincent Surely God hates the sin nature in man, so in a sense He hates the person, while commending His love for such people in that Christ died for all. He hates the sin nature, and yet extends His love to all in the sense He is not willing any should perish, but all come to repentance. But this is TOTALLY different to telling sinners, God hates you, as some do.
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    Lemuel Cherloaba
    Lemuel Cherloaba It is…At the same time, the apostles didn’t go and preach to sinners the love of God, as many do today…
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    Ian Vincent
    Ian Vincent Gospel means “good news”. John 3:16. They preached the love of God demonstrated on Calvary.

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    Lemuel Cherloaba
    Lemuel Cherloaba I can see that Paul, Peter and Stefan did not preach the love of God to sinners… They preached the love of God to believers…
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    Ian Vincent
    Ian Vincent The Book of Romans. Paul said this is the Gospel. “But God commendeth [demonstrates] his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us” (Romans 5:8)
    Preaching the Cross and omitting any reference to love would be bizarre.
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    Lemuel Cherloaba
    Lemuel Cherloaba That was written to Christians…
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    Lemuel Cherloaba
    Lemuel Cherloaba Check the sermons in the book of Acts… There is no reference to the love of God. Were these sermons bizarre?
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    Ian Vincent
    Ian Vincent In chapter 1 he says that the contents of the letter IS the Gospel, so that Christians will know what the Gospel is.
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    Ian Vincent
    Ian Vincent You are referring to Acts chapter 2? So, by that one reference you conclude that in the preaching of the Cross throughout the world the love of God was never mentioned?
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    Lemuel Cherloaba
    Lemuel Cherloaba Check all sermons…
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    Ian Vincent
    Ian Vincent Okay
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    Ian Vincent
    Ian Vincent So, nothing written in Romans should ever be preached as the Gospel?
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    Lemuel Cherloaba
    Lemuel Cherloaba Romans was written to believers…
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    Ian Vincent
    Ian Vincent …….explaining the Gospel to them.
    ….so they can preach this same Gospel to the world…
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    Lemuel Cherloaba
    Lemuel Cherloaba I don’t say that in certain situations it is wrong to preach the love of God to some sinner. But as a general rule
    it is not emphasised in the book of acts when the Gospel was preached.
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    Lemuel Cherloaba
    Lemuel Cherloaba That’s an assumption… Peter, Stefan and Paul preached the Gospel and didn’t mention Gods love… I think we should follow the pattern found in Acts not the American version. We may get better disciples too…
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    Ian Vincent
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    Lemuel Cherloaba
    Lemuel Cherloaba Is this verse inspired? Or is this David’s opinion?
    “The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.”
    ‭‭Psalm‬ ‭5:5‬ ‭KJVA‬‬
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    Ian Vincent
    Ian Vincent First, you tell me whether the hundreds of verses expressing God’s love for all of mankind are inspired, then we can deal with this one, and that would be reasonable, right?
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    Ian Vincent
    Ian Vincent A clue to God hating the wicked in the Old Testament can be seen in what happens now when people reject Jesus’ sacrifice, they are surely hated by God. Anyone sent to hell is hated by God. Christ died for ALL (contrary to John Calvin) and this is a declaration of love for all. If He died for all, He loved all. But in the OT such a sacrifice had not been made for all.
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    Lemuel Cherloaba
    Lemuel Cherloaba Yes Christ died for all and He wants all to be saved… At the same time these “all are under His wrath” or are His enemies… Right?
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    Ian Vincent
    Ian Vincent Being an enemy is not the same as being hated, is it. We were all enemies of God, scripture says, but we weren’t all hated by God.
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    Ian Vincent
    Ian Vincent Regarding: when we were enemies of God:

    “For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.” (Romans 5:10)

    So, Christ loved us when we were His enemies.

    The pertinent point regarding “enemies of God” is man made himself an enemy of God, it was not God making man His enemy. We became His enemy because we made ourselves His enemy.
    So, the emphasis is on man hating God, not God hating man.
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  2. fleebabylon Says:

    “The pertinent point regarding “enemies of God” is man made himself an enemy of God, it was not God making man His enemy. We became His enemy because we made ourselves His enemy.
    So, the emphasis is on man hating God, not God hating man.”

    Good reply Ian, to add on to it

    “and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others. But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, EVEN WHEN we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together” -Ephesians 2 NKJV

    We were children of wrath (God’s judicial wrath) but He still loved us (the elect) even then and made us His children.

  3. ian vincent Says:

    His statement that there is very little love of God in the NT is plain wrong. He is looking for the phrase “God loves you” and can’t find it, not understanding there are many synonyms, or closely allied words like, grace, goodness, kindness, mercy, forbearance, compassion, forgiveness.

    He says there is only one reference to love in Romans. Wrong. I was surprised no one in the audience corrected him.

    He overlooks several facts, like the preaching of the Cross, and the preaching of the life and works of the Lord Jesus. If you narrate the life of Jesus to people don’t they get the impression of someone who had amazing love, compassion, mercy and grace to sinners?

    Pawson says, no reference to love in Matthew, Mark and Luke. Yes, In the sense that the words “God loves you” or “Jesus loves you” were not apparently used with the frequency they are today, yet the nature of the Cross, the life of Jesus, the Person of Jesus is one of Divine, sacrificial love personified.

    On the matter of the sermons in Acts, these are all aimed at the Jews and not Gentiles. I don’t think we have any text of a sermon to the Gentiles. And we also need to take into consideration that Peter preached for a long time on the Day of Pentecost, and only a few minutes of his sermon is recorded.

    BTW, I don’t want to sound dismissive of David Pawson. In this 10 min clip i can’t determine what his point is, or what the application is. If the point is, the love of God is not mentioned much in the Bible, then, what do we do with that information, what is the application? Should we be careful not to mention the love of God, for if we do people will get a false idea of God?

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