The parallel “universe”

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4 Responses to “The parallel “universe””

  1. ian vincent Says:

    Regarding the young man having convulsions:

    Is he..

    a) Somehow acting out a psychological need, imitating something he’s seen before, with the thought that it somehow makes him one of the elite spiritual people, or is he someone who is crying out for love and attention?

    b) Demon possessed, but Heidi thinks that the demon is the Holy Spirit?

    c) Demon possessed, and Heidi knows it, but doesn’t know what to do, doesn’t know how to deal with it, especially considering that she is aware the Bethel people think it is the Holy Spirit, and therefore it brings the whole movement into question, if people can’t be sure whether the “anointing” is from God or the devil?

    Any other options?

  2. Terry Says:

    Charismatics I know would argue with you & think that something super spiritual is going on here and i am terrible at wording things but they don’t see a problem and i don’t know how to explain to them otherwise.

    Then they think its envy and resisting the Holy Spirit and even go so far as to avoid me believing i am being influenced by evil to question this. They fear you are blasphemous.

    Some treat me like i’m just less spiritual but maybe one day i’ll know better because “everybody” else spiritual is doing it/accepts it.
    It’s always don’t box God in & their experiences can only be of God.

  3. ian vincent Says:

    Thanks for sharing, Terry.

    Many of these guys love the Lord but have been taken captive.

    Spiritual pride morphs and adapts into any kind of expression of Christianity.

    You have house church elite jargon, theological code word jargon, Baptist jargon, mega-church jargon, all kinds of snobbery.

    Relational is the way to go.

    It’s the way we are sometimes forced to face up to realities in our life we don’t want to face.

  4. ian vincent Says:

    In the “prophetic movement” it’s not usual that they can deal with the convulsions. And it’s not surprising that when you ask them to explain what’s happening with convulsions often their mind goes blank, they are lost for words (a characteristic of demonization). In the video, if you were to ask Heidi Baker what is happening with the young man convulsing i don’t think she can answer. She may know it is demonic, but if she admits that then she knows she is also responsible, so to protect herself she goes into denial. Many of these young people are psychologically unhinged in real life. Certain facts are too painful for them to face.

    One more comment on the video: What is Heidi’s relationship to the audience? It is as a Shaman. It is very manipulative. The whole audience is in the palm of her hand. Notice also the power of suggestion: people start acting out exactly what she suggests to them. (of course, this is common practice)

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